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Dialogue with a Darwinist 1

By Karl Priest September 2020

I made a comment on Ian Juby’s Youtube video “Complete Creation part 1 3rd edition 2020 YouTube version” Feb. 14, 2020. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlBxY9YMcwM&lc=UgwaSrbE7NglyONieC94AaABAg.950pQGMEmJF9DqtFanZJ33 ( Click on “view 21 replies”. The number of replies may change.)

I said: Wonderful job, Wazaloo!

A dialogue developed shared here for your deliberation. I have not corrected typos from either party.

A dialogue developed shared here for your deliberation. I have not corrected typos from either party. I removed Edgar’s last name because this is not an attack on him personally.

Edgar M.: Well, evolution is fact. Your god is not. There is no evidence of him/her/it existing.

Karl Priest: Let's leave your religious issues out of this. Here is a scientific FACT: "Of the simplest machines, a toothpick has no moving parts. The only way to make it is by machines and engineering. Given every tree on the planet and infinite time, evolution could never make a toothpick. The only thing "evolution" can do is rot the wood." Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo

Edgar M.: A quote from "Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo." Not your strongest point. "evolution could never make a toothpick." Why would evolution, which has no goal, make a toothpick? And your quote is not a scientific fact. You can reject evolution all you want, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Karl Priest: What is not scientific about the quote? It points out that brainless evolution is useless to explain the complexity of life.

"Evolution is more impossible than the Blue Fairy, the Witch of the North, Aladdin's genies, the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, the Headless Horseman, and the mathematical definition of impossible all put together." Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo

Edgar M.: Again a quote from "Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo."

Karl Priest: "What is not scientific about the quote?" Everything. Evolution is a fact. It's your belief that's without facts.

Please post your VERY BEST proof of evolution.

Edgar M.: ERVs

Karl Priest: Just throwing out a term (does not prove evolution. How about these ERVs: The energy recovery process in HVAC systems? Do you think that technology happened by accident?

Edgar M.: We were talking about evolution. ERVs are viruses which RNA/DNA is present in our DNA and which we share with our closest relatives the chimpanzees and other great apes. Which is evidence that we, humanoids and great apes, share a common ancestor. And yes, advances in technology or inventions happen often by accident. Or luck.

Karl Priest: Yes, we are talking about evolution. You have made ERVs your VERY BEST proof of evolution. You use “accidents” and “luck” regarding evolution. HVAC ERV development may have had some of both, but without intelligent design, the final product would not exist. That is reality. The analogy with evolution is: There was nothing. Then there was something. Something, by luck and accidents, became an HVAC ERV. The possibility of the mechanical ERVs evolving without intelligent involvement is a fantasy.

But, that fantasy is more likely than DNA coming from nothing, and becoming as immensely complicated as it is, by accidents and luck.

Reality is that DNA coming from nothing is impossible. Dr. Crick, realized that and had to come up with space aliens seeding life on earth.

The similarities in DNA between us and chimps is just a design feature. Fords and Chevies have lots of similar components, but neither came about from an explosion in a sheet metal shop.

You may claim a monkey ancestor and even a fruit fly ancestor (Check out the fruit fly–human DNA similarities.) if you want. I will stick with the science of my ancestry being a line of humans going back to the first intelligently designed male and female.

Edgar M.: "I will stick with the science of my ancestry being a line of humans going back to the first intelligently designed male and female." Except, this has nothing to do with science.

"The similarities in DNA between us and chimps is just a design feature." Well, if this were the case, all living animals (humanoids included) would share the same DNA.

Karl Priest: You are the one who brought up your ancestry from common apes. So, in the minds of TBEs, it is science. In real science, all of us have to go back to an original human male and female. Beyond that, is TBE imaginations?

You say, "all living animals (humanoids included) would share the same DNA.” Why? A designer can choose any building blocks for whatever is being created. You are putting your intellect in place of the Designer. Maybe you can tell the Tesla designers some better components for their designs.

Speaking of DNA, please respond to this point:

Reality is that DNA coming from nothing is impossible. Dr. Crick, realized that and had to come up with space aliens seeding life on earth.

Edgar M.: TBE. An acronym you made up, because you have no arguments. The only one who "imagins" something, is you. Religion, and thus believe in a god, is man made. Why? Because there is no evidence a god exists.

Karl Priest: Please keep this thread a thread. Maybe it is a YouTube thing, but I got a notice that you made a comment about Joseph Mastropaolo. If you want a response to that, put it in this thread.

All acronymns are made up by someone. You are a True Beleiver in Evolutionism (TBE) whether you like it or not. Your fanaticism about God is an indicator. But, less stick to science.

Again, I ask you to please respond to this point:

Reality is that DNA coming from nothing is impossible. Dr. Crick, realized that and had to come up with space aliens seeding life on earth.

Karl Priest: (After two days.) I hope you are OK and I look forward to yur response to: Reality is that DNA coming from nothing is impossible. Dr. Crick, realized that and had to come up with space aliens seeding life on earth.

Edgar M.: "Reality is that DNA coming from nothing is impossible." This is your claim without evidence. And panspermia is one of the hypotheses of abiogenesis.

Karl Priest: Do you have evidence that DNA came from nothing? Please post it.

Redi and Pasteur proved that life only comes from life.

Do you believe aliens seeded life on earth?

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Karl Priest: Edgar did not respond.

On 10-19-20 at “Complete Creation part 3 3rd ed 2020 YouTube version Feb. 28, 2020”(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBw6-lGUSDI&lc=UgyZ1wlk7bnxHl9v7Ql4AaABAg.95aGezNqjax9F-iQsrKV88) he said, “You have no clue, do you?”

I responded: Please refer to our conversation at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlBxY9YMcwM&lc=UgwaSrbE7NglyONieC94AaABAg.950pQGMEmJF9DqtFanZJ33. On 12-27-20 I noticed the reply was not there and reposted it.

There were so many fanatics attacking Ian Juby on that video that I made the following comment to over a dozen of them.

I have dialogued with True Believers in Evolutionism for many years. Their problem with accepting that science points to the design of life is with their hearts, not their heads. They are more fanatical than any Bible thumper. Therefore, I am only going to make one comment to you. Currently I am having a discussion with Edgar M., so, if you want to be enlightened—follow that thread. Hopefully you will see the light.

Everywhere in the universe the finger of time points downward in devolution. Evolution’s fictionalized finger points upward as it and its finger are devolving. But evolution is not fiction like Mother Goose where the cow jumps over the moon. A cow can jump a low fence so Mother Goose is straight forward fantasy that children enjoy. Inverted Mother Goose would be the moon jumping over the cow.” Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo

As expected, it riled them up! I ignored the barrage of buffoonery.

Comments to me:

Nosfrat Tirek "I have dialogued with True Believers in Evolutionism for many years."

Then how come you haven't learned anything from it? There's no such thing as "evolutionism", and there are no "true believers" in evolution either, only those who understand what science is and tentatively accept its current models. And there are those who do not, like creationists.

"Their problem with accepting that science points to the design of life is with their hearts, not their heads."

The heart pumps blood, and that's it. It doesn't think or accept anything. Your brain is where this sort of thing happens, though of course the authors of the Bible didn't know that. There is only blind, unintelligent and unintended design to life, which is why it's so flawed and unnecessarily complex. Simplicity is the hallmark of design.

"Currently I am having a discussion with Edgar Matzinger, so, if you want to be enlightened—follow that thread. Hopefully you will see the light."

I don't know who that is, but you're a reality-denying religious fanatic. Which means that I want to be enlightened, you're the last person I would talk to.

"“Everywhere in the universe the finger of time points downward in devolution. Evolution’s fictionalized finger points upward as it and its finger are devolving. But evolution is not fiction like Mother Goose where the cow jumps over the moon. A cow can jump a low fence so Mother Goose is straight forward fantasy that children enjoy. Inverted Mother Goose would be the moon jumping over the cow.”"

Religion is straight fantasy, evolution is a reality. Quoting meaningless word salad written by some dishonest cretin who has no understanding of what he's talking about isn't helping your case.

You have absolutely nothing, just wilful ignorance from a lifetime of having your mind entombed in religious extremism.

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Gary Walker I have dialogued with True Believers in Evolutionism for many years.

Their problem with accepting that science points to the design of life is with their hearts, not their heads.

<No, science does NOT "point to the design of life". Why would we have our laryngeal nerve loop from the base of our brain, around our aorta back to our neck?

Why would we have more psudogenes, useless old genes that show our evolutionary heritage than we do active genes?>

They are more fanatical than any Bible thumper. Therefore, I am only going to make one comment to you. Currently I am having a discussion with Edgar Matzinger, so, if you want to be enlightened—follow that thread. Hopefully you will see the light.

“Everywhere in the universe the finger of time points downward in devolution. Evolution’s fictionalized finger points upward as it and its finger are devolving. But evolution is not fiction like Mother Goose where the cow jumps over the moon. A cow can jump a low fence so Mother Goose is straight forward fantasy that children enjoy. Inverted Mother Goose would be the moon jumping over the cow.” Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo

<Sorry but there is no such thing as "devolution" except in extreme cases involving inbreeding over successive generations. With a normal diversity in a healthy breeding population, there is NO "devolution".

This is typical tripe from a creationist who ought to know better. >

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Trypich devolution - a term used by only those that do not understand what evolution is.

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itsasin1969 @Karl Priest When you have something intelligible to say maybe we can have a conversation.

Comments to Ian
(These are prime examples of the hate and confusion of True Believers in Evolutionism.)

Nosfrat Tirek You claim that "evolutionists" (there's no such thing, of course - just people who understand and accept mainstream science as opposed to dogmatic belief in magical fairy tales) believe in the supernatural. Cite ONE belief I have that is supernatural. Just one.

Paula Bean

He's back with the same old arguments creationists always use, and which have been debunked many times.

palladin1337 ...Okay, you people need to stop citing Scientific Laws incorrectly. Let me be clear, because you clearly didn't bother to look this up;

THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS DO NOT APPLY TO LIFE OR OUR PLANET

n0etic Fox Humans are apes Ian. If are going to talk about evolution it is best to at least have the basics down. Saying die-hard adherents to evolution argue if a fossil is ape or man is analogous to saying Christian argue if it was Jesus or Christ who died on the cross. It undermines your case so grossly that it is a point in your opponent's favour.

Richard Hopkins By definition, creationist scientist is a contradiction in terms. Science starts with observation, then uses the information and experimentation to find the results and a conclusion. Creationists start with a conclusion then cut and paste already existing information like a jigsaw puzzle so that it fits into their prefabricated conclusion.

The Weird and the Wonderful Question: will your creator be honoured by bold faced lies ? Because that's what he's doing in this video on amyn occasions. Such as claiming a hoax debunked by paleontologists in 1953 means paleontologists either don't know paleontology or fabricate it to this day.

Thrawnmulus … I think I'll make a video on the lies Juby stated in this video, and the lies he alluded to.

Feeds Ravens You mean the same nonsense that creationists repeat again and again? The same strawmen that creationists repeat again and again?

Would you think for one second on your own, then you would find that according to your Bible 4000 years ago there were about 8,000 species overall. These species had to develop == EVOLVE into tens of thousands, millions of species up to now. And spread from one spot on earth over the whole surface. On this journey the species you now find e.g. in Australia left not the slightest trace of them on the way.

If the Bible and the Flood is true, it necessitates a super-duper-hyper-ultra-evolution.

And THAT biblical evolution is what any scientist would oppose vehemently, because speciation cannot occur so rapidly. That there is no inbreeding leading to horrible mutations with a population size of 2-14 specimen is simply nonsense.

Kenny Obi Why can't creationists just use scientific terms properly? Evolution and abiogenesis are not the same thing. Pretending like they are won't help your case. Closing your eyes, plugging your ears, and screaming won't make us take you seriously. Use the actual scientific words, stop straw-manning, and stop cherry picking. No prebiotic chemist would ever point to spontaneous generation as evidence of abiogenesis.

DJH316007 He has a talent at not understanding anything he is talking about.

itsasin1969 The science of evolution proves that Christianity is BS.

It proves there is no Adam and Eve, no original sin, no fall, no resurrection, no need for jesus and really no need for your silly god.

There is a well understood natural explanation for the biodiversity of life on Earth.

Common descent with genetic modification over billions of years powered by natural selection is a fact with nearly 100% of all qualified scientists accepting this.

100% of all accredited university biology departments accept and teach this as the fundamental bedrock of biology and medicine and reject creationism. 100%. (You can call them all and ask them) Even if you ask all scientists, 98% accept evolution as fact. Any scientist rejecting evolution is most likely because of religion, which makes the reason for their rejection invalid. If there were any fence sitters, DNA science has put an end to the debate. (Search DNA in court of law)

There are thousands of transitional fossils that you can confirm yourself.

There are no problems with or evidence against the science of evolution.

Thrawnmulus Oh, this is going to be interesting, I used to like you, Juby, then I got an education.

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